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Tracks 1-31
Track 1 Introduction
Track 2 Case discussion: A 60-year-old woman with a node-positive, HER2-positive tumor
Track 3 Intraindividual variability in LVEF
Track 4 Selection of adjuvant chemotherapy regimen to combine with trastuzumab
Track 5 Cardiac safety of dose-dense ACpaclitaxel/trastuzumab
Track 6 Intraindividual and intraobserver variability of MUGA and ECHO
Track 7 Duration of concurrent chemotherapy/ trastuzumab with dose-dense regimens
Track 8 Utility of protocol-defined guidelines for discontinuing trastuzumab due to decreases in LVEF
Track 9 Optimal duration of adjuvant trastuzumab
Track 10 Clinical decision-making based on surveillance of LVEF
Track 11 Case discussion: A 59-year-old woman with HER2-positive, node-negative breast cancer
Track 12 Case discussion: A 54-year-old woman with strongly ER-positive, PR-positive, HER2-negative breast cancer and cardiomyopathy
Track 13 Prognosis of idiopathic dilated cardiomyopathy
Track 14 Selection of adjuvant systemic therapy for a patient with significant cardiac disease
Track 15 SEER analysis of long-term cardiotoxicity in women treated with anthracyclines
Track 16 Adjuvant chemotherapy for patients with small, node-negative, HER2-negative tumors
Track 17 Long-term risk of congestive heart failure with adjuvant AC
Track 18 Effect of lifestyle and hormonal changes on cardiac risk
Track 19 Case discussion: A 59-year-old woman with an ER-positive, PR-negative, HER2-positive, node-negative tumor
Track 20 Selection of adjuvant systemic therapy for a patient with aortic valve disease
Track 21 Case follow-up: Treatment with AC followed by paclitaxel/ trastuzumab
Track 22 Cardiac effects of lapatinib and clinical use in patients unable to continue trastuzumab
Track 23 Case discussion: A 52-year-old woman with a 4-cm, ER-negative, PR-negative, HER2-positive, node-positive tumor
Track 24 Acute respiratory syndrome in patients with pulmonary metastases treated with trastuzumab
Track 25 Use of trastuzumab in patients with cardiomyopathy and HER2- positive metastatic disease
Track 26 Treatment after progression on trastuzumab: Continue, switch or combine with lapatinib?
Track 27 Participation in adjuvant clinical trials randomly assigning patients to lapatinib without trastuzumab
Track 28 Selection of hormonal therapy for patients with ER-positive, PR-positive, HER2-positive disease
Track 29 Longer versus shorter duration of adjuvant trastuzumab
Track 30 Hypertension associated with anti-angiogenic agents
Track 31 Unforeseen adverse cardiac effects of biologic agents

Tracks 2-3

Arrow DR LOVE: Hal, how often do you see significant changes in the ejection fraction in patients treated with trastuzumab?

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: I have found, especially with an LVEF greater than 70 percent, that there’s a lot of noise and it is a hyperdynamic number. I wonder whether these drops from 76 to 61 percent are real events. However, dropping below 50 percent seems more real and would be worrisome, especially if it were linked to symptoms and obvious changes on an echocardiogram.

Arrow DR LOVE: Dr Steingart, can you talk about the variation in ejection fraction, particularly within the normal range?

Arrow DR STEINGART: We have discovered that when the ejection fraction is 70 percent or higher, there is enormous variability from one measurement to the next. If you measure serial ejection fractions, a 15-unit ejection fraction change is not unusual.

At a very high ejection fraction in a normal-sized heart, you’re talking about an end-systolic dimension that is literally a pixel on the computer matrix. Any variation in the detection of the edge around that one pixel will make it grow from one to three or four pixels.

With very small end-systolic volumes in a healthy heart, minor variations in your edge detection ability can produce dramatic changes in the ejection fraction. So, in practice, we are skeptical about these fluctuations within the normal range.

Track 4

Arrow DR LOVE: Dennis, what chemo/trastuzumab regimen would you have used with this patient?

Arrow DR SLAMON: I believe you can go with either of the BCIRG 006 trastuzumab regimens, and patients should be aware of the differences in efficacy and toxicity between the regimens.

In addition, although we don’t have data, I believe docetaxel/cyclophosphamide, the regimen Steve Jones evaluated ( Jones SE 2006), would be equally efficacious because the taxane is the same and cyclophosphamide has additive and synergistic interactions with trastuzumab.

Arrow DR LOVE: I believe US Oncology is planning to study docetaxel/cyclophosphamide with trastuzumab. Would you be comfortable using it right now?

Arrow DR SLAMON: My sense is that the chemotherapy platform you build trastuzumab on is much less important than using trastuzumab and using it for an optimum period of time, which has yet to be determined. For a HER2-driven tumor, that is the critical factor.

Arrow DR LOVE: Why would you use docetaxel as opposed to paclitaxel?

Arrow DR SLAMON: The cardiotoxicity data we’re seeing from all the trials show less cardiotoxicity in the one trial using docetaxel (Slamon 2005) compared to all the trials using paclitaxel (Romond 2005; Piccart-Gebhart 2005). Everyone who’s observed the data from all those different groups is saying the same thing — the only difference was the taxane.

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: My most common trastuzumab-based regimen remains AC followed by paclitaxel, which is similar to the regimen used in the Inter-group study (Romond 2005). We participated in that trial and treated a lot of patients with every three-week AC times four followed by weekly paclitaxel times 12.

Arrow DR LOVE: Do you agree with Dennis’s comment that there seems to be less cardiotoxicity with the docetaxel regimens than with paclitaxel regimens?

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: The incidence of symptomatic cardiac events in the ACdocetaxel/trastuzumab arm of BCIRG 006 was a little more than two percent (Slamon 2005). In NSABP-B-31, the absolute incidence of congestive heart failure symptomatology with ACpaclitaxel/trastuzumab was about four percent compared to 0.8 percent for the chemotherapy regimen alone (Tan-Chiu 2005).

I don’t know whether that means there is more or less cardiotoxicity. These patient groups were different. For any number of reasons, it is easy to imagine that they had different preexisting criteria. It’s always tricky to compare across trials.

Track 5

Arrow DR LOVE: Dr Steingart, what do we know about the cardiac safety of dose-dense AC paclitaxel/trastuzumab?

Arrow DR STEINGART: We were involved with a recent study of dose-dense ACpaclitaxel/ trastuzumab (Dang 2006a; [2.2]) that utilized stopping endpoints that were similar to those in the NSABP-B-31 study. The rate of holding the drug regimen was extremely low, so the dose-dense regimen with trastuzumab, from a cardiac perspective, in the short term, seemed to be well tolerated.

Arrow DR LOVE: Dennis, is there any theoretical reason to be concerned about closer spacing of the doxorubicin with the dose-dense regimen?

Arrow DR SLAMON: I can’t imagine there would be any theoretical reason to be concerned. It’s clear that the HER2 protein serves a protective function against stress in the heart. When you have trastuzumab on board, you’re inhibiting that pathway. You’re inhibiting the pathogenic part of the pathway with regard to breast cancer, but it appears you’re also inhibiting the positive effects of the HER2 protein in the heart.

Track 7

Arrow DR LOVE: Hal, according to our Patterns of Care studies, in patients with HER2-negative, node-positive disease, the most common adjuvant regimen used is dose-dense ACpaclitaxel. Is that your general approach for these patients?

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: We frequently recommend that regimen for patients with HER2-negative disease. The Memorial group has reported on dose-dense ACpaclitaxel with trastuzumab in HER2-positive disease, and the data look encouraging. However, it is a relatively small feasibility study with approximately 70 patients (Dang 2006a; [2.1]). The study is too underpowered to make strong conclusions about how the safety compares. It’s certainly encouraging that it looks good.

It’s not clear that dose-dense ACpaclitaxel is necessarily better than the other ways ACpaclitaxel was administered in the larger trials for HER 2-positive disease. The only thing that still gives me pause is that you limit your concurrent chemotherapy/trastuzumab exposure to eight weeks with the dose-dense regimen.

However, we don’t know if that would be any different from the 12 weeks used in NSABP-B-31, NCCTG -N9831 or BCIRG 006 ( Romond 2005; Slamon 2005). This is a theoretical concern, which isn’t totally trivial because the duration of concurrent therapy might be important.

We need to be candid with patients and say, “These limited data support the regimen in terms of its feasibility.” It is a shorter course of chemotherapy, which is appealing to many patients. It’s not something that we routinely offer outside of a clinical trial.

Track 8

Arrow DR LOVE: Dr Steingart, oncologists are trying to follow the adjuvant trastuzumab trial guidelines in terms of monitoring ejection fractions. Are there times when the trial guidelines can be stretched?

Arrow DR STEINGART: I don’t fully understand the rationale for the guidelines, particularly with the change in ejection fraction with in the normal range.

I don’t understand why one would think a 78 percent ejection fraction that drops to 63 or 62 percent would be a physiologically important change.

I can understand when you start fluctuating near the lower limit of normal, where the room for error is less. If I were consulting on a patient in clinical practice and her ejection fraction went from 78 percent to 62 or 63 percent, assuming there weren’t other pathological indicators on the study, I would not advise the oncologist to stop therapy.

Arrow DR LOVE: Dennis, do you agree?

Arrow DR SLAMON: I agree that we don’t know what those drops mean. I disagree when some of that information is interpreted to say that there’s no problem.

A definite signal is coming out of the trials that a loss of left ventricular function occurs when these two drugs are used together. It is either clinical or subclinical, but there’s a significant loss of left ventricular function.

We learned this from the 13,000 women in the adjuvant trastuzumab trials, whose median age was 49 years old. The median age of patients with breast cancer is 62 to 63 years. So the trials included younger women, and we’re seeing a signal. They have not yet accrued their other life events that could affect cardiac function.

If this is a real signal and it’s sustained, it may be a problem. If it’s not and they all recover, then “no harm, no foul.” The efficacy data are incredible, but the efficacy has to be weighed against the toxicity. Trastuzumab has no bigger advocate than me, but I’ve tried to be cautious about saying that there’s no issue when there are subclinical losses above the lower limits of normal.

Arrow DR LOVE: When you make that decision, how do you factor in the risk of recurrence — for example, a patient with 10 versus zero positive nodes?

Arrow DR SLAMON: A HER2-positive tumor is a HER2-positive tumor. To me — and I may be in the minority — the number of nodes is irrelevant. The data demonstrate that node-negative disease that is HER2-positive behaves as if it is node-positive disease, even if the tumor is smaller than 1.5 centimeters.

When I see a patient with a HER2-positive tumor, even when it is 0.5 centimeters, the argument I make is, “This is a HER2-driven tumor. We would recommend trastuzumab-based therapy.”

Track 9

Arrow DR LOVE: Hal, people have pointed out what they thought was a blip up in the recurrence rate in the HERA study after trastuzumab was stopped at a year. Do you think that’s real?

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: I don’t know. The worry has been that chronic suppression is necessary and if you withdraw trastuzumab, you might put the patient in greater jeopardy for recurrence.

As a practical matter, the trials had to start somewhere. Most of the large cooperative group trials administered one year of therapy. The HERA trial had a randomization to one versus two years (Piccart-Gebhart 2005; Smith 2007).

A challenge in interpreting that literature, when it finally matures, is that they did not administer chemotherapy concurrently with trastuzumab in the HERA trial. I remain concerned that that may be a less optimal way to utilize trastuzumab.

Although there may be some advantage for a second year, it will not be clear that the advantage would be the same if you used chemotherapy and trastuzumab concurrently. This is something that will have to be teased out once the more mature data become available. For the moment, outside of a clinical trial, I use one year of trastuzumab.

Arrow DR SLAMON: I believe Hal’s point is well made; those data definitely need to be teased out. There’s one other big problem with the HERA trial. It’s a wonderful trial showing that if you use trastuzumab after chemotherapy, you will still have a clinical benefit.

What is factored out of the HERA trial, however, which few people mention, is that the randomization occurred after patients finished their surgery, chemotherapy and radiation. That could have taken close to 10 months (Piccart-Gebhart 2005; Smith 2007).

In the US cooperative group trials and the BCIRG trial, a number of recurrences occurred early in the patients with HER2-positive disease. In the HERA trial, those patients never went onto the trial. So it’s a favorably selected group in the sense that the worst cases were factored out.

The hazard ratio in HERA is 0.54 (Piccart-Gebhart 2005; Smith 2007), which is a little worse than the hazard ratio we’re seeing in the concurrent trials of around 0.47 to 0.49 (Slamon 2005; Romond 2005). Whether that’s real when comparing across trials is another question.

Track 10

Arrow DR LOVE: Hal, should oncologists be following the adjuvant trastuzumab protocols, in terms of when to monitor ejection fractions and when to stop and start trastuzumab?

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: It’s a tough situation because there is a black-box warning about cardiotoxicity with the use of trastuzumab. Clearly, these patients merit cardiac surveillance. It seems as if borderline ejection fraction at baseline, age and perhaps preexisting hypertension stand out as predictors of trastuzumab-related cardiomyopathy (Tan-Chiu 2005).

The patients still require surveillance, irrespective of those risk factors. My practicing algorithm is to check cardiac function at baseline, after the anthracycline-based chemotherapy, after three to four months of the taxane/trastuzumab combination and at some point again. It must be said that these safeguards were put in place when we did not know the clinical efficacy of trastuzumab.

The challenge arises in cases with a high-risk breast tumor in which you are trying to bring important therapy to bear on the patient’s disease. When you are trying to combat these reductions in ejection fraction of unknown clinical significance, it’s tough to be a clinician because there aren’t hard and fast rules. The rules in the trials were based on not knowing that trastuzumab was going to be a lifesaving drug for women.

Tracks 12-13

Arrow DR LOVE: Dr Steingart, can you talk about idiopathic cardiomyopathy? What’s the long-term prognosis, and what do we know about the interaction between it and cardiotoxic agents, such as anthracyclines?

Arrow DR STEINGART: We don’t know much about idiopathic dilated cardiomyopathy. The therapy involves attempting to exclude known causes, such as alcohol use, hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism, tachycardia or coronary artery disease. It’s a diagnosis of exclusion.

Because this patient became clinical Class I without further symptoms, her outlook is favorable and is related to the ejection fraction. However, the overall survival of such an individual is not normal.

If one were to biopsy such a heart postmortem, there would be a great deal of fibrosis. The ventricle would be abnormal, and I have concerns about adding a cardiotoxic agent.

I would have a long discussion with the oncologist about the importance of the drug. I believe with this degree of compensation, it wouldn’t take much to further worsen the left ventricular function and make this patient symptomatic again.

This could further accelerate the progression to clinical congestive heart failure, which has an adverse prognosis. I would have substantial reservations about using cardiotoxic chemotherapy in such a patient.

Arrow DR LOVE: Hal, how would you think through this case?

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: Even without the history of the cardiomyopathy, you could easily convince yourself to just use hormone therapy for this patient. It’s a low-grade tumor, she’s postmenopausal and her general prognosis is good. The marginal benefits of adjuvant chemotherapy in a postmenopausal woman with hormone receptor-positive breast cancer are modest.

With Peter Ravdin’s Adjuvant! Online, you could estimate the benefit of chemotherapy to be an improvement of a few percentage points in the 10-year disease-free survival. If you really wanted to refine the estimate, you could obtain an Oncotype DX™ assay to quantify the risk.

Given the cardiomyopathy history and what we heard from Dr Steingart about the frailty of these patients, this woman is much more likely to die of her heart disease in the next decade than from her breast cancer, although one would have to look at formal models.

I would be loath to use chemotherapy in this patient, even nonanthracycline-based regimens. Don’t rock this boat. This patient is barely compensated on four cardiac drugs, and you should quit while you’re ahead with the hormone treatment.

Track 14

Arrow DR LOVE: Dennis, what are your thoughts about nonanthracycline-containing alternatives? What about the docetaxel/cyclophosphamide (TC) regimen Steve Jones presented at the 2005 San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium?

Arrow DR SLAMON: Steve Jones’s US Oncology data, comparing TC to anthracycline-based therapy, are impressive ( Jones SE 2006; [2.2]). It’s a large study, and the data are robust. I believe US Oncology will conduct an even larger repeat study. I find it a very attractive regimen.

In the case that was just presented, I agree with Hal. An argument would arise as to whether the patient should receive any chemotherapy given the nature of her tumor, the biologic markers and the fact that it’s low-grade, postmenopausal disease. If I were inclined to use chemotherapy, I would not want to administer anything that threatened any minimal cardiac insult.

Arrow DR LOVE: Can you follow up on what happened with the patient?

Arrow DR GEARHART: Although she had low-grade and fairly small disease, we also recognized that she had at least whatever lymph node burden can be interpreted from the micrometastasis. We elected to treat her with a nonanthracycline-containing regimen, and we chose docetaxel over paclitaxel, thinking perhaps we’d slice off another smidgen of cardiac toxicity. She was treated with Steve Jones’s TC regimen followed by hormonal therapy.

She actually flew through her TC. We monitored her ejection fraction throughout. She’s now about one year postchemotherapy and continues to have an ejection fraction of about 45 percent and is asymptomatic.

Arrow DR LOVE: Dennis, can you comment on the issue of anthracycline cardiotoxicity in the absence of trastuzumab?

Arrow DR SLAMON: The issue of cardiac dysfunction with anthracycline-based regimens — until the HER2 era — was either enormously underappreciated or now we’re overestimating it. It’s one of those two extremes, but I’m not sure which.

I was taught in medical school not to worry until you reached more than 450 mg/m2 of doxorubicin. With the regimens consisting of six cycles at 60 mg/m2, we’re at a cumulative dose of 360 mg/m2. When we used four cycles of AC followed by four cycles of T, we were at a cumulative dose of 240 mg/m2. No one ever thought to consider cardiotoxicity.

When we conducted the registrational trial for trastuzumab, we weren’t measuring cardiac dysfunction. No signal came out of the Phase I or Phase II trials. It was during the Phase III trial that women started to say, “Things are going great, except I can’t walk upstairs and I become short of breath, which has never happened to me before.”

We started to look, and we saw this signal. We then planned the adjuvant trastuzumab trials, where everything was followed closely. When we started to follow closely, we found women developing left ventricular dysfunction, some of it significant, at 150 to 180 mg/m2 of doxorubicin.

This is a cardiotoxic drug beyond our traditional thinking. Doxorubicin does bad things to the heart that are independent of the other long-term effects.

Tracks 15-16

Arrow DR LOVE: Hal, you have a 60- to 65-year-old patient for whom you’re recommending either AC alone or dose-dense ACarrowpaclitaxel. She will receive four doses of doxorubicin at 60 mg/m2, and she asks, “What are the chances over the next 20 years, by taking this as opposed to a nonanthracycline regimen, that I’m going to run into a problem with my heart?”

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: I usually tell patients that less than one percent will have clinically significant heart failure through at least a decade of follow-up. As we’re learning from the SEER-Medicare data set (Giordano 2006; [1.2]) and the long-term follow-up of some of the original Milan adjuvant trials, there is a much larger fraction of women who may have late disease or subclinical changes in LVEF.

In the overview analysis, survival at any given time was usually governed by whether the breast cancer recurred. The incidence of excessive deaths from cardiac causes in chemotherapy-treated patients was surprisingly low (EBCTCG 2005). We have a conundrum: Many asymptomatic changes occur, and as women live longer, they seem to be in jeopardy for more late heart failure.

Anthracyclines are undergoing a fascinating revision in the breast cancer literature. Everybody who published articles 15 years ago saying anthracyclines were better than nonanthracycline-based chemotherapy is now publishing papers saying that not everybody needs anthracyclines. We oversold it in the first place.

I believe we will see less use of the anthracyclines, not because of concerns over cardiotoxicity — which are real but fortunately rare — but because we will discover that most women don’t need anthracycline-based chemotherapy.

If you consider many of the major trials that evaluated various doses of anthracyclines, such as MA5 (Levine 2005) and CALGB-8541 (Budman 1998), in the aggregate, anthracyclines clearly helped and that is supported by the overview (EBCTCG 2005).

In many of the retrospective analyses, anthracyclines were most critical in patients with HER2-positive breast cancer (Pritchard 2006). In patients with HER2-negative breast cancer, it’s been hard, for a decade, to see that you actually needed anthracycline-based chemotherapy compared to nonanthracycline-based chemotherapy.

Because those were unplanned, retrospective analyses, those data were not readily accepted. Now we’re coming full circle and there’s more questioning about whether these patients need chemotherapy and if they do, whether they really need anthracycline-based chemotherapy.

Paradoxically, the women who need anthracycline-based chemotherapy are those with HER2-positive disease. We’re going to need the mature data from BCIRG 006 to tease out, within that subgroup, who needs the anthracycline in combination with trastuzumab. For the moment, anthracyclines are the mainstay for HER2-positive disease. I believe we should, as part of this reassessment, be thinking through which breast tumors need anthracycline chemotherapy. It isn’t clear to me that most women do.

Arrow DR LOVE: What is your usual regimen for patients with small, HER2-negative, node-negative disease?

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: I usually use AC if they’re going to receive chemotherapy.

Arrow DR LOVE: What were your thoughts about the data, which showed fewer recurrences with adjuvant TC?

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: It’s a provocative study, and I congratulate Steve Jones and the US Oncology Group for that trial ( Jones SE 2006; [2.2]). We have so many studies with AC as the backbone — it’s the whole corpus of the NSABP work.

This doesn’t mean that everybody needs it, but it is the backbone of our historical experience in the past 15 or 20 years of chemotherapy. Before giving it up for a well-done but ultimately medium-sized randomized trial, it’s worth looking for confirmatory data. If you want a nonanthracycline-based regimen, you can always use CMF.

Arrow DR SLAMON: I disagree with Hal that anthracyclines are undergoing a significant revision. At some of the centers like his that is the case, but the vast majority of people feel that if a patient has breast cancer, you “cannot not” use anthracycline-based therapy. And I disagree with that.

The data from US Oncology and Steve Jones are compelling. I agree they need to be reproduced, but I suspect that will happen. We’ve been using a drug that has a lot of problems because we were used to using it. These one-size-fits-all approaches for the disease are just wrong.

Track 17

Arrow DR LOVE: Dennis, what do you say to a woman who’s about to receive four cycles of AC in terms of her long-term excess risk of cardiac toxicity? Is it one percent or 40 percent?

Arrow DR SLAMON: I don’t believe for a moment it’s one percent. We’re using old data sets to make current calls, and women are living into their eighth and ninth decades. The presentation at ASCO was remarkable and long overdue (Giordano 2006). It was a high-water mark in terms of our understanding of the downside effects of what we’re doing.

I don’t believe the risk is one percent. It’s much higher. The possibility of study bias and the fact that these women were followed closely are real, but usually study bias with such large numbers as were examined in the SEER-Medicare database (Giordano 2006; [1.1]) does not result in such a dramatic difference. So I’d have to believe that the signal is, at least in part, real. It’s not just because the women were followed more closely.

Tracks 19-20

Arrow DR LOVE: Dr Steingart, what is the relationship between aortic stenosis and mantle radiation?

Arrow DR STEINGART: A nice series of studies from Stanford evaluated the long-term effects associated with mantle radiation in patients with Hodgkin’s disease (Heidenreich 2003). Aortic regurgitation is usually the lesion, but mixed aortic stenosis and regurgitation is possible.

She is in the age group where it’s conceivable that she has a congenital bicuspid valve having nothing to do with the therapy. But I believe there’s enough evidence to say that mantle radiation therapy does predispose to aortic valve disease.

Arrow DR LOVE: What about the use of an anthracycline or trastuzumab?

Arrow DR STEINGART: The ejection fraction is 65 to 75 percent, her dimensions are normal and she’s not symptomatic. I might put her on a treadmill and gauge her physiologic response to exercise to convince myself that she had a normal exercise tolerance. If she did, I would — with one hand on the brake — say it would be reasonable to administer chemotherapy. I would be concerned that she would be predisposed to heart failure.

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: She has HER2-overexpressing disease. All of us feel that trastuzumab is an important treatment for women in this situation. If the cardiologist clears her for any therapy, I would consider a nonanthracycline- and trastuzumab-based regimen.

Arrow DR LOVE: Which specific chemotherapy regimen would you have used with trastuzumab?

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: The timing of this patient’s diagnosis was somewhere between the ASCO 2005 presentation of three adjuvant trastuzumab trials and Dennis’s presentation of the BCIRG 006 data at the 2005 San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium. In fall 2005, you had the HERA data. In HERA, some women received nonanthracycline-based regimens, and trastuzumab was safely administered after chemotherapy (Piccart-Gebhart 2005; Smith 2007).

You could have considered a CMF-type of program followed by trastuzumab. Nowadays, I believe we would use something like the TCH program Dennis and his colleagues put together.

Arrow DR LOVE: Dennis, what would you do with this patient?

Arrow DR SLAMON: I would use a nonanthracycline-based regimen, based on what I’ve heard. Her chances of doing well would be as good as with an anthracycline-based regimen without compromising cardiac function.

Arrow DR LOVE: Richard, are you comfortable treating her with trastuzumab?

Arrow DR STEINGART: The hearts of people with aortic stenosis/aortic regurgitation are stressed and fibrotic. If the pathophysiologic mechanism of trastuzumab involves interfering with repair mechanisms — these hearts are constantly stressed and being repaired. I don’t have systematic data, but I do have anecdotal experience in patients with valvular heart disease who have received trastuzumab with dramatically abnormal ventricular responses.

Track 21

Arrow DR LOVE: Dr De Fusco, what treatment did the patient receive?

Arrow DR DE FUSCO: Being that it was August 2005, not December 2005, and I had the cardiologist’s assurance that she could tolerate it, we proceeded with AC. We used dose-dense AC, and she did have some complications of dehydration and fatigue. She became a little anemic and received growth factor support. She had some hypotension and tachycardia in her third and fourth cycles.

At the completion of AC, her ejection fraction was 60 percent by ECHO, and she had some lower-extremity edema. She also had tachycardia. The aortic valve area was the same.

Arrow DR LOVE: Dr Steingart, are you still comfortable going ahead with trastuzumab?

Arrow DR STEINGART: No. I would obtain a BNP (B-type natriuretic peptide). I would start wondering why this woman had tachycardia and would look for occult congestive heart failure, despite the normal ejection fraction.

Arrow DR LOVE: Dr De Fusco, what happened?

Arrow DR DE FUSCO: This woman wanted to be as aggressive as possible. So she went ahead with paclitaxel in January. I didn’t start trastuzumab until the third dose of paclitaxel because I wanted her to be further out from the AC.

She was using diuretics, and in March she started developing some increasing dyspnea and intermittent wheezing. Her eleventh dose of trastuzumab was administered in April. I talked about stopping trastuzumab and couldn’t get the patient to agree as long as the cardiologist was working with her and treating her.

An ECHO in April showed an ejection fraction of 45 percent. She was admitted in May for a cardiac catheterization, and she had 20 percent obstruction of the left circumflex and the left anterior descending (LAD) artery. Her aortic valve area had now dropped. Her ejection fraction had also decreased to 35 percent.

It was urgently planned that she have an aortic valve replacement. She then had a cardiac arrest in the hospital. She came out of it with minimal neurologic defect, other than some amnesia for the event. She underwent aortic valve replacement with reconstruction of the aortic route.

Her ECHO in June showed an LVEF of 55 percent, and she had ongoing problems with pleural effusions. In September, the ECHO showed an ejection fraction of 65 percent. She said, “Can’t I have more trastuzumab?” I said, “No.”

Tracks 23-25

Arrow DR LOVE: Dennis, have you seen patients develop acute heart failure after one dose of trastuzumab?

Arrow DR SLAMON: No.

Arrow DR LOVE: Hal?

Arrow DR BURSTEIN: I haven’t seen that. It’s coincidental that it occurred right after the trastuzumab with paclitaxel, but it would not be inconsistent with anthracycline-induced cardiomyopathy, which usually occurs in the first four to 12 weeks after anthracycline exposure.

Arrow DR LOVE: Dr Steingart, do you have any comment on what was happening with this patient from a cardiology point of view?

Arrow DR STEINGART: From time to time we see this dramatic change in the ejection fraction, not with trastuzumab, but with other highly effective cancer therapies. In other circumstances, I believe the cause of the severe left ventricular dysfunction is multifactorial and relates to cytokines.

We see it with huge increases in white counts, effective debulking therapies in ovarian cancer and tumor lysis syndromes. I’m told it’s a sign of an effective antitumor agent. It is conceivable that it is an effect of tissue factors influencing left ventricular function and not necessarily a direct toxic effect of the drug on the heart.

We work very hard in the metastatic setting to support the oncologist in the continued use of trastuzumab with particular attention to symptomatic status and quality-of-life issues. We balance heart failure risk and effectiveness of trastuzumab. In the metastatic setting, the thresholds are different for withholding trastuzumab.

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